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	<title>Comments on: The Judaization of Jerusalem: What is Our Response?</title>
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		<title>By: YBD</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/12/02/the-judaization-of-jerusalem-what-is-our-response/#comment-5720</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The answer to Dana&#039;s question you gave as to why the Palestinians yell things like &quot;Hitler should have finished the job&quot; is that we should try to &quot;understand&quot; what it is that brings them to think that way. No doubt millions of Jews in Europe in the period 1933-1945 were asking the same thing. I don&#039;t know what answer they came up with. Same with the all pogroms and massacres of Jews over the centuries before this.
On the other hand, maybe it would be reasonable to demand that the Palestinians NOT utter such sentiments since they should be required to &quot;understand&quot; Jewish feelings after suffering so much, just as you say we should &quot;understand&quot; their feelings.

However, this brings us back to the point that the Palestinians resent the Jewish presence in Jerusalem.  If that makes their rage &quot;understandable&quot; I again ask if the Zionist aim to have mass aliyah to Eretz Israel, and, as a consequence have the Arab population become a minority is legitimate?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to Dana&#8217;s question you gave as to why the Palestinians yell things like &#8220;Hitler should have finished the job&#8221; is that we should try to &#8220;understand&#8221; what it is that brings them to think that way. No doubt millions of Jews in Europe in the period 1933-1945 were asking the same thing. I don&#8217;t know what answer they came up with. Same with the all pogroms and massacres of Jews over the centuries before this.<br />
On the other hand, maybe it would be reasonable to demand that the Palestinians NOT utter such sentiments since they should be required to &#8220;understand&#8221; Jewish feelings after suffering so much, just as you say we should &#8220;understand&#8221; their feelings.</p>
<p>However, this brings us back to the point that the Palestinians resent the Jewish presence in Jerusalem.  If that makes their rage &#8220;understandable&#8221; I again ask if the Zionist aim to have mass aliyah to Eretz Israel, and, as a consequence have the Arab population become a minority is legitimate?</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbi Brant Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rabbi Brant Rosen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I genuinely understand your anguish, Dana. I would only ask you to go deeper into the roots of this conflict and to understand where comments such as &quot;Hitler should have finished the job&#039; come from. I believe they come from the frustration and anger of people who have been thoroughly disempowered, crushed by oppression and are lashing back as angrily as they know how. While I find the meaning of the words to be reprehensible, I also know I need to be sensitive to the conditions from which words such as these might arise.

By the same token, we need to ask ourselves: what is the motivation of those who would evict families from their homes simply because they are not Jewish? 

Unless we face these painful realities honestly, I can&#039;t see that we will ever find our way out of the essential tragedy of this conflict.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I genuinely understand your anguish, Dana. I would only ask you to go deeper into the roots of this conflict and to understand where comments such as &#8220;Hitler should have finished the job&#8217; come from. I believe they come from the frustration and anger of people who have been thoroughly disempowered, crushed by oppression and are lashing back as angrily as they know how. While I find the meaning of the words to be reprehensible, I also know I need to be sensitive to the conditions from which words such as these might arise.</p>
<p>By the same token, we need to ask ourselves: what is the motivation of those who would evict families from their homes simply because they are not Jewish? </p>
<p>Unless we face these painful realities honestly, I can&#8217;t see that we will ever find our way out of the essential tragedy of this conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/12/02/the-judaization-of-jerusalem-what-is-our-response/#comment-5711</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s so hard for me to accept that while I agree with Rabbi Arik Ascherman, others that agree with him too also speak sentiments like &quot;Hitler should have finished the job&quot;. 

How can I be on the same &quot;side&quot; as people who would have those thoughts???
 
Therefore I am on no side.  This isn&#039;t a road, it&#039;s a heart, and what&#039;s wrong, is wrong.  Taking these homes is wrong.  But so is violence, so is murder, so is making a people feel so scared, so beaten, so ill, that all they can do is fight and make others feel this way, too.  

All I can do is pray.  And teach my children about right and wrong and see the power of good deeds.  

Thank you for posting this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so hard for me to accept that while I agree with Rabbi Arik Ascherman, others that agree with him too also speak sentiments like &#8220;Hitler should have finished the job&#8221;. </p>
<p>How can I be on the same &#8220;side&#8221; as people who would have those thoughts???</p>
<p>Therefore I am on no side.  This isn&#8217;t a road, it&#8217;s a heart, and what&#8217;s wrong, is wrong.  Taking these homes is wrong.  But so is violence, so is murder, so is making a people feel so scared, so beaten, so ill, that all they can do is fight and make others feel this way, too.  </p>
<p>All I can do is pray.  And teach my children about right and wrong and see the power of good deeds.  </p>
<p>Thank you for posting this.</p>
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		<title>By: YBD</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/12/02/the-judaization-of-jerusalem-what-is-our-response/#comment-5706</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your answer is not clear. Is the goal of Zionism, as it was at least from the time of the Balfour Declaration, in which mass immigration of Jews to Eretz Israel is to be encouraged and organized, and in which a Jewish majority was ultimately to be established, legitimate in your eyes, knowing that this means making the existing Arab population a minority?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your answer is not clear. Is the goal of Zionism, as it was at least from the time of the Balfour Declaration, in which mass immigration of Jews to Eretz Israel is to be encouraged and organized, and in which a Jewish majority was ultimately to be established, legitimate in your eyes, knowing that this means making the existing Arab population a minority?</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbi Brant Rosen</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/12/02/the-judaization-of-jerusalem-what-is-our-response/#comment-5694</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rabbi Brant Rosen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Zionism means ethnic cleansing, inequity, and transfer of indigenous peoples without some form of justice or repatriation, then no, I do not consider it to be legitimate. 

I believe the only way Zionism can be &quot;legitimate&quot; is if it finds a way to coexist with  basic tenets of human rights, civil rights, democracy and equality without regard to religion or ethnicity. (Values that I assume many of us purport to hold dear.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Zionism means ethnic cleansing, inequity, and transfer of indigenous peoples without some form of justice or repatriation, then no, I do not consider it to be legitimate. </p>
<p>I believe the only way Zionism can be &#8220;legitimate&#8221; is if it finds a way to coexist with  basic tenets of human rights, civil rights, democracy and equality without regard to religion or ethnicity. (Values that I assume many of us purport to hold dear.)</p>
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		<title>By: YBD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, is Zionism, i.e the &quot;Judaization&quot; of Eretz Israel legitimate, or not?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, is Zionism, i.e the &#8220;Judaization&#8221; of Eretz Israel legitimate, or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Grover</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/12/02/the-judaization-of-jerusalem-what-is-our-response/#comment-5691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Grover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rabbi,

This Judification of Yerushalayim is making me want to sing Hatikvah and listen to a recording of Shuli Natan singing Yerushalayim Shel Zahav.  Heck, I might contribute to the JNF or buy some State of Israel Bonds.

I invite all of your readers to join in on 
this Ruach.  Ashrei Yoshvay Veitecha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabbi,</p>
<p>This Judification of Yerushalayim is making me want to sing Hatikvah and listen to a recording of Shuli Natan singing Yerushalayim Shel Zahav.  Heck, I might contribute to the JNF or buy some State of Israel Bonds.</p>
<p>I invite all of your readers to join in on<br />
this Ruach.  Ashrei Yoshvay Veitecha.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabbi Brant Rosen</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/12/02/the-judaization-of-jerusalem-what-is-our-response/#comment-5688</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rabbi Brant Rosen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I rabbi, I have no trouble saying that the Judaization of Jerusalem is immoral. Jerusalem is certainly significant to Jews, but it is also a city with a population of multi-ethnic, multi-religious peoples who also consider it to be their home. If &quot;Judaization&quot; means that this city (or the land as a whole) should only be inhabited by Jews - and all others must be removed or otherwise stripped of their rights, then I will oppose this as a rabbi, as a Jew, and as a person of conscience. 

Further, I do indeed consider it to be a moral issue that Tel Aviv University is built on the top of Arab village. I disagree with your analysis that the residents of al-Shaykh Muwannis simply &quot;fled&quot; in 1948. According to Israeli historian Benny Morris the depopulation of this village was prompted when the Irgun kidnapped five village leaders at the end of March 1948. &quot;Coerced fleeing&quot; by any other name would be called &quot;expulsion,&quot; and I think we should be at least able to own it for what it was.

I&#039;m intrigued by your term &quot;Arabization.&quot; Lod and Akko were both originally Arab majority cities that were depopulated in 1948. It is well documented that in Lod Arab residents were forcibly expelled by Israeli forces (you can read Rabin&#039;s autobiography or &quot;The Lemon Tree&quot; for the specifics.)   In the case of Akko, the Haganah besieged the city and its inhabitants fled (yes, fled) in every direction, including into the sea. Nazareth Illit was created largely out of expropriated land from the Arab city of Nazareth. 

What do we make of this history? It&#039;s certainly not a simple answer. But I do believe that recognizing it, owning it, and talking about it would be a good first step. And if we are troubled by this history, I think a good second step would be to protest when we see it repeated in our own time, in Sheikh Jarrah and elsewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I rabbi, I have no trouble saying that the Judaization of Jerusalem is immoral. Jerusalem is certainly significant to Jews, but it is also a city with a population of multi-ethnic, multi-religious peoples who also consider it to be their home. If &#8220;Judaization&#8221; means that this city (or the land as a whole) should only be inhabited by Jews &#8211; and all others must be removed or otherwise stripped of their rights, then I will oppose this as a rabbi, as a Jew, and as a person of conscience. </p>
<p>Further, I do indeed consider it to be a moral issue that Tel Aviv University is built on the top of Arab village. I disagree with your analysis that the residents of al-Shaykh Muwannis simply &#8220;fled&#8221; in 1948. According to Israeli historian Benny Morris the depopulation of this village was prompted when the Irgun kidnapped five village leaders at the end of March 1948. &#8220;Coerced fleeing&#8221; by any other name would be called &#8220;expulsion,&#8221; and I think we should be at least able to own it for what it was.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m intrigued by your term &#8220;Arabization.&#8221; Lod and Akko were both originally Arab majority cities that were depopulated in 1948. It is well documented that in Lod Arab residents were forcibly expelled by Israeli forces (you can read Rabin&#8217;s autobiography or &#8220;The Lemon Tree&#8221; for the specifics.)   In the case of Akko, the Haganah besieged the city and its inhabitants fled (yes, fled) in every direction, including into the sea. Nazareth Illit was created largely out of expropriated land from the Arab city of Nazareth. </p>
<p>What do we make of this history? It&#8217;s certainly not a simple answer. But I do believe that recognizing it, owning it, and talking about it would be a good first step. And if we are troubled by this history, I think a good second step would be to protest when we see it repeated in our own time, in Sheikh Jarrah and elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: YBD</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/12/02/the-judaization-of-jerusalem-what-is-our-response/#comment-5687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YBD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is certainly novel to hear a rabbi complaining about the &quot;Judaization of Jerusalem&quot;. Wasn&#039;t the idea of Zionism to &quot;Judaize Eretz Israel&quot;?  Wasn&#039;t it &quot;Judaization&quot; to build the &quot;progressive&quot; Tel Aviv University on the land that belonged to the Arab village of Sheikh Munis but whose residents fled during the War of Independence?

On the other hand, is it &quot;Arabization&quot; when Arabs move into Jewish areas in Lod, Akko, or Nazeret Ilit, or when they take illegally over state lands in the Negev as happens every day?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is certainly novel to hear a rabbi complaining about the &#8220;Judaization of Jerusalem&#8221;. Wasn&#8217;t the idea of Zionism to &#8220;Judaize Eretz Israel&#8221;?  Wasn&#8217;t it &#8220;Judaization&#8221; to build the &#8220;progressive&#8221; Tel Aviv University on the land that belonged to the Arab village of Sheikh Munis but whose residents fled during the War of Independence?</p>
<p>On the other hand, is it &#8220;Arabization&#8221; when Arabs move into Jewish areas in Lod, Akko, or Nazeret Ilit, or when they take illegally over state lands in the Negev as happens every day?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Grover</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/12/02/the-judaization-of-jerusalem-what-is-our-response/#comment-5685</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Grover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2 words for the Judaization of Yerushalayim:  Baruch Hashem!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 words for the Judaization of Yerushalayim:  Baruch Hashem!</p>
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