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	<description>Random Blogthoughts by Rabbi Brant Rosen</description>
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		<title>Comment on Jewish Fast for Gaza by Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is your concern for Gilad Shalit? And why are you so concerned with supporting a population of which the majority voted in a ruling party that educates children to become suicide bombers, that doesn&#039;t follow the Geneva convention and resorts to firing rockets into civilian areas? THe people of Gaza have to learn that they are accountable for their actions and your way is just letting them get away with murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is your concern for Gilad Shalit? And why are you so concerned with supporting a population of which the majority voted in a ruling party that educates children to become suicide bombers, that doesn&#8217;t follow the Geneva convention and resorts to firing rockets into civilian areas? THe people of Gaza have to learn that they are accountable for their actions and your way is just letting them get away with murder.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jewish Fast for Gaza by Shirley Gould</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/07/10/jewish-fast-for-gaza/#comment-4929</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirley Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I cannot participate in the fast, I am gratified to see it begun, and thank you for explaining the origin of the idea.      Also, I am especially pleased by the wording that identifies my rabbi, who &quot;serves&quot; JRC.     That&#039;s a fresh view of the role of the rabbi, and one that I heartily commend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I cannot participate in the fast, I am gratified to see it begun, and thank you for explaining the origin of the idea.      Also, I am especially pleased by the wording that identifies my rabbi, who &#8220;serves&#8221; JRC.     That&#8217;s a fresh view of the role of the rabbi, and one that I heartily commend.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jewish Fast for Gaza by Shalom Salaam Peace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shalom Salaam Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeshar Koach.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Rescue the Spirit of Humanity by Benjamin Barnett</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/07/01/rescue-the-spirit-of-humanity/#comment-4871</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brant, thanks for this post, and your offerings as always. A question lingering for me about the Sara Roy article, (and in general the discourse re: Gaza in these circles), is her lack of mention of Hamas&#039; violent tactics, both externally and internally as well. She exposes realities re: Israeli gov&#039;t and military action that we need to hear, yet re: Palestinian accountability only mentions the complicity of the PA. There seems to be a missing piece. This as opposed to Amnesty&#039;s recent report that did name Hamas&#039; action as defying int&#039;l law. I stand with you re: solidarity with the people of Gaza and protesting Israeli action there, but am wondering how to hold this element alongside it.
shalom
Benjamin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brant, thanks for this post, and your offerings as always. A question lingering for me about the Sara Roy article, (and in general the discourse re: Gaza in these circles), is her lack of mention of Hamas&#8217; violent tactics, both externally and internally as well. She exposes realities re: Israeli gov&#8217;t and military action that we need to hear, yet re: Palestinian accountability only mentions the complicity of the PA. There seems to be a missing piece. This as opposed to Amnesty&#8217;s recent report that did name Hamas&#8217; action as defying int&#8217;l law. I stand with you re: solidarity with the people of Gaza and protesting Israeli action there, but am wondering how to hold this element alongside it.<br />
shalom<br />
Benjamin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rescue the Spirit of Humanity by Michael Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subject: [GazaFriends] 14 of us in the 7 by 7 meter cell Date: 7/3/09 

Interview from a kidnapped passenger, Adie Mormech
Prison Cell, Givon Jail, Ramle, Israel


Adie Mormech, one of over 21 human rights workers and crew taken prisoner on Tuesday 30th June when their boat was forcibly boarded by the Israeli navy, has spoken by mobile phone from his prison cell at Givon jail, Ramle, near Tel Aviv.

Amongst the other prisoners from the Free Gaza Movement boat, Spirit of Humanity, are Nobel Peace prize winner, Mairead Maguire, and former US Congresswoman, Cythnia McKinney. A message from McKinney on 2nd July condemned Israel for its “illegal” action in “dismantl[ing] our navigation equipment” and confiscating both the ship and its cargo of medical aid, childrens&#039; toys and olive trees.

McKinney went on to say that “State Department and White House officials have not effected our release or taken a strong public stance to condemn the illegal actions of the Israeli Navy of enforcing a blockade of humanitarian assistance to the Palestinians of Gaza, a blockade that has been condemned by President Obama.”

The Free Gaza campaign succeeded in entering Gaza by sea on several occasions in 2008, carrying humanitarian aid, medical personnel, journalists and human rights workers. However, later attempts have been met with aggression by the Israeli navy, with one boat, the Dignity, having to seek refuge and repairs in Lebanon after being rammed three times by an Israeli warship.

In a brief interview with Andy Bowman of Manchester&#039;s Mule newspaper (http//www.themule.info), Mr Mormech gave the following account:

How are you being treated?

It&#039;s bad, but the conditions are OK for me, I&#039;ve not been beaten up, they&#039;re a bit nasty sometimes and when they boarded the boat we had our faces slammed against the floor. It was bad for the older women like Mairead.

The four other UK nationals are in the cell with me. There&#039;s 14 of us in the 7 by 7 meter cell which includes the toilet and shower, so very crowded. It&#039;s very hot and there&#039;s only a tiny window. We get awakened at 6 in the morning for an inspection and have to stand to attention, and then they repeat that at 9 am, and we are only allowed out of the cells for a few hours each day. They keep giving us forms to sign but they are in Hebrew so we don&#039;t. Although I&#039;m able to cope here, other people are less comfortable than me in the situation. If we&#039;re here for a long time – like some of the other people in here have been – then it will be tough.

Have you had access to a lawyer yet?

We have, and at the moment we&#039;re discussing what to do about our deportation. They&#039;ve taken our personal items – laptops, cameras, phones and many other valuables, and we want to find out where these are. They obviously want to deport us as quickly as possible, but some of us are thinking about fighting the deportation. Firstly on the basis that if we get deported we won&#039;t be allowed into the occupied West Bank or Israel for another 10 years, but also, because we didn&#039;t intend to come here to Israel – we intended to go to Gaza, and went directly from international waters into Palestinian waters. There is nothing legal about what Israel has done to us grabbing us like this. We&#039;re considering fighting the deportation on the grounds that we shouldn&#039;t accept and legitimize this barbaric military blockade of Gaza.

If you challenge the deportation could you remain in prison for a while longer?

Yes we could – there&#039;s some people that need to get home, but some will challenge. And for those it will be a few more weeks in prison at least, we expect.

And you?

I&#039;m veering towards challenging it on the basis that it&#039;s a scar on my name to accept that I shouldn&#039;t have been here, but in fact I have every right to go to Gaza just as everyone else does. That&#039;s the whole point of these voyages and that&#039;s the principle we want to stick to.

Have they told you what has happened to the cargo of the boat?

No, we don&#039;t know what they&#039;re doing with it. We&#039;ve been told a lot of lies so far about where we&#039;re going and what&#039;s happening to us, so we just don&#039;t know. They&#039;re already prepared to deprive the people of Gaza of a lot of aid anyway.

What is your message to people back in the UK?

This is not about us here in the cells, it&#039;s about the denial of human rights to the people of Palestine, and in particular the inhumane blockade of Gaza. People must not forget about what is happening to Gaza. At the moment they are even being denied food and medical supplies. After the carnage of the 1500 people killed in January, we won&#039;t forget and we&#039;ll keep on going and keep fighting for the human rights of the people of Palestine.
-- 
Greta Berlin
Free Gaza Movement
357 []
www.freegaza.org
www.flickr.com/photos/29205195@N02/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subject: [GazaFriends] 14 of us in the 7 by 7 meter cell Date: 7/3/09 </p>
<p>Interview from a kidnapped passenger, Adie Mormech<br />
Prison Cell, Givon Jail, Ramle, Israel</p>
<p>Adie Mormech, one of over 21 human rights workers and crew taken prisoner on Tuesday 30th June when their boat was forcibly boarded by the Israeli navy, has spoken by mobile phone from his prison cell at Givon jail, Ramle, near Tel Aviv.</p>
<p>Amongst the other prisoners from the Free Gaza Movement boat, Spirit of Humanity, are Nobel Peace prize winner, Mairead Maguire, and former US Congresswoman, Cythnia McKinney. A message from McKinney on 2nd July condemned Israel for its “illegal” action in “dismantl[ing] our navigation equipment” and confiscating both the ship and its cargo of medical aid, childrens&#8217; toys and olive trees.</p>
<p>McKinney went on to say that “State Department and White House officials have not effected our release or taken a strong public stance to condemn the illegal actions of the Israeli Navy of enforcing a blockade of humanitarian assistance to the Palestinians of Gaza, a blockade that has been condemned by President Obama.”</p>
<p>The Free Gaza campaign succeeded in entering Gaza by sea on several occasions in 2008, carrying humanitarian aid, medical personnel, journalists and human rights workers. However, later attempts have been met with aggression by the Israeli navy, with one boat, the Dignity, having to seek refuge and repairs in Lebanon after being rammed three times by an Israeli warship.</p>
<p>In a brief interview with Andy Bowman of Manchester&#8217;s Mule newspaper (http//www.themule.info), Mr Mormech gave the following account:</p>
<p>How are you being treated?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s bad, but the conditions are OK for me, I&#8217;ve not been beaten up, they&#8217;re a bit nasty sometimes and when they boarded the boat we had our faces slammed against the floor. It was bad for the older women like Mairead.</p>
<p>The four other UK nationals are in the cell with me. There&#8217;s 14 of us in the 7 by 7 meter cell which includes the toilet and shower, so very crowded. It&#8217;s very hot and there&#8217;s only a tiny window. We get awakened at 6 in the morning for an inspection and have to stand to attention, and then they repeat that at 9 am, and we are only allowed out of the cells for a few hours each day. They keep giving us forms to sign but they are in Hebrew so we don&#8217;t. Although I&#8217;m able to cope here, other people are less comfortable than me in the situation. If we&#8217;re here for a long time – like some of the other people in here have been – then it will be tough.</p>
<p>Have you had access to a lawyer yet?</p>
<p>We have, and at the moment we&#8217;re discussing what to do about our deportation. They&#8217;ve taken our personal items – laptops, cameras, phones and many other valuables, and we want to find out where these are. They obviously want to deport us as quickly as possible, but some of us are thinking about fighting the deportation. Firstly on the basis that if we get deported we won&#8217;t be allowed into the occupied West Bank or Israel for another 10 years, but also, because we didn&#8217;t intend to come here to Israel – we intended to go to Gaza, and went directly from international waters into Palestinian waters. There is nothing legal about what Israel has done to us grabbing us like this. We&#8217;re considering fighting the deportation on the grounds that we shouldn&#8217;t accept and legitimize this barbaric military blockade of Gaza.</p>
<p>If you challenge the deportation could you remain in prison for a while longer?</p>
<p>Yes we could – there&#8217;s some people that need to get home, but some will challenge. And for those it will be a few more weeks in prison at least, we expect.</p>
<p>And you?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m veering towards challenging it on the basis that it&#8217;s a scar on my name to accept that I shouldn&#8217;t have been here, but in fact I have every right to go to Gaza just as everyone else does. That&#8217;s the whole point of these voyages and that&#8217;s the principle we want to stick to.</p>
<p>Have they told you what has happened to the cargo of the boat?</p>
<p>No, we don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re doing with it. We&#8217;ve been told a lot of lies so far about where we&#8217;re going and what&#8217;s happening to us, so we just don&#8217;t know. They&#8217;re already prepared to deprive the people of Gaza of a lot of aid anyway.</p>
<p>What is your message to people back in the UK?</p>
<p>This is not about us here in the cells, it&#8217;s about the denial of human rights to the people of Palestine, and in particular the inhumane blockade of Gaza. People must not forget about what is happening to Gaza. At the moment they are even being denied food and medical supplies. After the carnage of the 1500 people killed in January, we won&#8217;t forget and we&#8217;ll keep on going and keep fighting for the human rights of the people of Palestine.<br />
&#8211;<br />
Greta Berlin<br />
Free Gaza Movement<br />
357 []<br />
<a href="http://www.freegaza.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.freegaza.org</a><br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/29205195@N02/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/29205195@N02/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Bibi&#8217;s History Tutorial by Stewart Mills</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/06/15/bibis-history-tutorial/#comment-4799</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen brother!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Rescue the Spirit of Humanity by Stewart Mills</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/07/01/rescue-the-spirit-of-humanity/#comment-4798</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irish Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire speaks to Democracy Now from her jail cell in Israel. She was taken into custody along with twenty others, including former US Congress member Cynthia McKinney, when the Israeli military boarded their ship in international waters as it tried to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza. 

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/2/nobel_peace_laureate_mairead_maguire_speaks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irish Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire speaks to Democracy Now from her jail cell in Israel. She was taken into custody along with twenty others, including former US Congress member Cynthia McKinney, when the Israeli military boarded their ship in international waters as it tried to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/2/nobel_peace_laureate_mairead_maguire_speaks" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/2/nobel_peace_laureate_mairead_maguire_speaks</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Rabbis Remembering the Nakba by Stewart Mills</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/05/17/rabbis-remembering-the-nakhba/#comment-4797</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The community that remembered the Naqba at your house is a tremendous statement of humanity! 

In Australia I was taught as a child of European &#039;settlement&#039;.  This has a very nice , cosy feel about it.  Not  so much blood and guts.  It was not until much later that we talked about invasion.  Even still this is hard to hear for some European Australians.  

I realise many will be mortified to even try and compare European invasion of countries like Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the US or Canada to Israel.

Yes there has been an indigenous connection with the land for millenia.  Yes the land holds deep spiritual and cultural heritage to Jewish people.  However, this spiritual and cultural heritage is not unique to Judaism.  Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Muslims too share in the rich heritage of this land.
They saw the British come after the Ottomans had been defeated and replace one master for another.  They saw mass Jewish immigration from the 1920s to 1940s.

Yes Palestinians could have done more to provide a refuge for European Jews fleeing persecution in Europe.  However, what is a fair share of the burden?  Australia, closed it&#039;s doors after taking no more than 16,000 Jews, South Africa and other European colonial countries similarly took few people.

My sadness is that we learn little from the past oppressed people become oppressors in just a lifetime.  This is as true of my Scottish ancestors who came to this land for a new life after being kicked out of &#039;their&#039; land by the English.  My ancestors proceeded to demonise and persecute Aboriginal people.

The last 60 years of Israel whilst exhibiting clear differences still reflects the difficulties in coming to terms with what it means to build a democratic and free society for all people regardless of race, religion etc.

My fear is that so much hatred has been stirred up amongst elements within the Palestinian community that they too given the chance would not learn from history.  But that fear cannot stop me from ensuring that we honestly speak about the wrongs committed in the past as a step towards rapproachment and healing and hopefully a new way of relating to each other as fellow human beings, as brother, sister, mother and father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The community that remembered the Naqba at your house is a tremendous statement of humanity! </p>
<p>In Australia I was taught as a child of European &#8217;settlement&#8217;.  This has a very nice , cosy feel about it.  Not  so much blood and guts.  It was not until much later that we talked about invasion.  Even still this is hard to hear for some European Australians.  </p>
<p>I realise many will be mortified to even try and compare European invasion of countries like Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the US or Canada to Israel.</p>
<p>Yes there has been an indigenous connection with the land for millenia.  Yes the land holds deep spiritual and cultural heritage to Jewish people.  However, this spiritual and cultural heritage is not unique to Judaism.  Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Muslims too share in the rich heritage of this land.<br />
They saw the British come after the Ottomans had been defeated and replace one master for another.  They saw mass Jewish immigration from the 1920s to 1940s.</p>
<p>Yes Palestinians could have done more to provide a refuge for European Jews fleeing persecution in Europe.  However, what is a fair share of the burden?  Australia, closed it&#8217;s doors after taking no more than 16,000 Jews, South Africa and other European colonial countries similarly took few people.</p>
<p>My sadness is that we learn little from the past oppressed people become oppressors in just a lifetime.  This is as true of my Scottish ancestors who came to this land for a new life after being kicked out of &#8216;their&#8217; land by the English.  My ancestors proceeded to demonise and persecute Aboriginal people.</p>
<p>The last 60 years of Israel whilst exhibiting clear differences still reflects the difficulties in coming to terms with what it means to build a democratic and free society for all people regardless of race, religion etc.</p>
<p>My fear is that so much hatred has been stirred up amongst elements within the Palestinian community that they too given the chance would not learn from history.  But that fear cannot stop me from ensuring that we honestly speak about the wrongs committed in the past as a step towards rapproachment and healing and hopefully a new way of relating to each other as fellow human beings, as brother, sister, mother and father.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Can&#8217;t Dance Any More by Stewart Mills</title>
		<link>http://rabbibrant.com/2009/06/26/i-cant-dance-any-more/#comment-4796</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Rav!  I have just come across your site and am deeply thankful for what I have seen so far.  Curiously I came to your site via Emily Hauser&#039;s blog.

We need more Rabbi&#039;s like you.

A prophet speaks against what the mainstream accepts.  Keep on speaking and doing brother.

You might be interested the Parliament of World Religions is being held in Melbourne, Australia 3-8 December.  Rabbi Michael Lerner is going.

Shalom, Peace, Salam.

Stewart Mills
Sydney, Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Rav!  I have just come across your site and am deeply thankful for what I have seen so far.  Curiously I came to your site via Emily Hauser&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>We need more Rabbi&#8217;s like you.</p>
<p>A prophet speaks against what the mainstream accepts.  Keep on speaking and doing brother.</p>
<p>You might be interested the Parliament of World Religions is being held in Melbourne, Australia 3-8 December.  Rabbi Michael Lerner is going.</p>
<p>Shalom, Peace, Salam.</p>
<p>Stewart Mills<br />
Sydney, Australia</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Can&#8217;t Dance Any More by Shirley Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had a response, but all I can do is to communicate to you my intense respect for your decision.    It takes so much guts to be open, when most of us aren&#039;t exactly sure where we stand.

Thanks for being who you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had a response, but all I can do is to communicate to you my intense respect for your decision.    It takes so much guts to be open, when most of us aren&#8217;t exactly sure where we stand.</p>
<p>Thanks for being who you are.</p>
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